Back to Podcasts Passing the Torch Hosts Loren DeJonge Schulman and Rachel Klein-Kircher speak with Mary Gibert and Gail Lovelace, two former leaders at the General Services Administration, about ensuring smooth presidential transitions, getting more young people into public service and managing historic transfers of power—from the first conducted after 9/11 to our most recent one in 2020. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.